Jill Stephenson is a nutter. Whether that means we should make allowances for the woman is a matter for personal conscience. Personally, I find it very difficult to take her seriously. She is simply ignorant, as well as bigoted and hateful and all that other stuff she will be remembered for when she is blessedly gone.
Perhaps the worst of Jill Stephenson's stupidity is equating the independence movement with the SNP. Even after all this time, she still hasn't learned that the largest part of the independence movement has nothing to do with the SNP. These days, much of the independence is rather vigorously opposed to the SNP or at least highly critical. There are people in the independence movement who hate the SNP more than the mad lady does. I don't know whether she'll be glad of the company or insanely jealous.
We are all tarred with Jill Stephenson's bile-dipped brush as SNP thinkalikes. Every single one of us. That is the comic-book world she sees in the odd moments when the red mist clears enough for her to be able to see anything.
What this means is that her analysis is worthless. It isn't even analysis. Because to be an analysis, it would have to take at least some account of the real world. I fear the real world is far too complex a place for Jill Stephenson's hate-crippled intellect to deal with.
For example, she cannot conceive of there being an independence supporter such as myself who doesn't give a toss whether Scotland qualifies for membership in the EU. My thinking is that if the EU exists, it's probably as well to join. But membership of the EU is not so important that I would compromise my aspirations for my country. My ideas on tax reform alone would genuinely disqualify Scotland. Well, tough! Tax reform is too important to abandon just to fall in line with the EU.
The things Jill Stephenson lists as disqualifying factors are, by contrast, entirely bogus. Unless one assumes Scotland would somehow be without everyday essentials such as a currency. We don't know - and neither does the loony - that independent Scotland will have a fiscal deficit. If it does, it'll be like almost every other country in the world. A deficit is not a disease. It's a fiscal tool. Nothing to be afraid of.
Do you notice anything about her 'arguments'? They are as dated as kipper ties and flares! It's the same stuff she and the Britnat numpty brigade were spewing twelve years ago. Like the SNP leadership, Jill Stephenson is trapped in an earlier decade. 2025 is a foreign land to her. She has never even visited.
There's a short version of this. But I thought I'd better keep it prim since I'm a guest here.
I don't think the Indy movement should commit to joining the EU before we are well on the way to Independence and can hold a referendum to check if that is what the people of Scotland want. (a stage omitted by JS who is not bothered about what the people want).
I should state here that I would prefer we joined EFTA as a better fit for a small voluntary like ours and without some of yhe political problems the EU has.
I agree with Ann and Leah on this: EFTA/EEA membership makes more sense initially (and perhaps longer term) as an independence-seeking Scotland will have to negotiate its separation from the UK and the resolution of trans-border trade is with our EU-hating neighbours is likely to be simplified if we're not an EU member (and even more so if Reform has any part in the negotiations). In addition we don't know when our Independence will happen or what changes might take place in EU policies in the interim, so it makes sense not to commit to EU membership as a sine qua non of Indy.
Agree with all. What’s the point of getting the Westminster noose off from around Scotland’s neck, only to put the Brussel’s noose on? Genuine independence requires a greater degree of economic independence.
Another Brit still fighting the last war. That said, I think the EU is the last organisation Scotland should join, given that it is fundamentally opposed to national sovereignty and the democratic will of national populations. Given the contempt they are currently treating the populations of Hungary, Slovakia, Romania and the Eastern Länder, it's clear that the commission is in fact a totalitarian junta.
I also think Scotland should think carefully about establishing a Central Bank for the simple reason that it would be vulnerable to capture by The Banking Mafia. And if we refuse to surrender it, we will find ourselves getting 'Gaddafi-ed".
Tbh, you'd think Historywoman would love all that "Atlantic to the Urals" stuff! 😉
She's right about not being able to join because if aback of those things. She doesn't realise that we will have all those things not long after indy. They are not rocket science. It's normal.
As Ms Stephenson often demonstrates, colonialism 'only works by debasing the colonized' (Fanon) and by 'making any prospect of liberation seem impossible' (Memmi).
I don't think she's ignorant about it, as with her BritNat pals at the Scottish parliament and at westminster they know exactly what they are doing and saying to keep Scotland shackled. The 'UK' with England's government in control of the purse strings, is akin to the mafia, do as they (EngGov) say, hand over your cash and resources and take what you are given, kick kick kick.
Since Brexit the border between ourselves and England has become a trickier indy issue. The best solution is surely some form of EU protection. EFTA or the EEA would be preferable but would the Norway allow it?
In the run up to the 2014 referendum they closed their consulate in Edinburgh. In case anyone was too dim to follow they helpfully explained, ‘Scotland is not a real country’. It took them 70 years to work that out but hey, they got there in the end. What were the promises ? Rosebank?, more North Sea licences?, 80% of farmed Salmon ? Like their Viking forefathers, they are our enemy.
The SNP’s promise to publish an alternative to GERS has to be one of Nicola Sturgeon’s worst betrayals. BIS’s ‘Scotland the Brief’ shows how astonishingly persuasive a counter analysis would be if it came from the Scottish Government.
Thanks as ever Leah for your unique blend of logic, facts, reason, wit and passion. Flushing away that reluctant turd never looked easier.
This poor impersonation of a toilet brush has obviously had an arsehole transplant as she's talking so much shite. She also thinks that the SNP is the sum total of the Indy movement...She really does herself no favours and should go back to practicing her Hitler/Musk salute in front of the mirror.
Jill Stephenson is a nutter. Whether that means we should make allowances for the woman is a matter for personal conscience. Personally, I find it very difficult to take her seriously. She is simply ignorant, as well as bigoted and hateful and all that other stuff she will be remembered for when she is blessedly gone.
Perhaps the worst of Jill Stephenson's stupidity is equating the independence movement with the SNP. Even after all this time, she still hasn't learned that the largest part of the independence movement has nothing to do with the SNP. These days, much of the independence is rather vigorously opposed to the SNP or at least highly critical. There are people in the independence movement who hate the SNP more than the mad lady does. I don't know whether she'll be glad of the company or insanely jealous.
We are all tarred with Jill Stephenson's bile-dipped brush as SNP thinkalikes. Every single one of us. That is the comic-book world she sees in the odd moments when the red mist clears enough for her to be able to see anything.
What this means is that her analysis is worthless. It isn't even analysis. Because to be an analysis, it would have to take at least some account of the real world. I fear the real world is far too complex a place for Jill Stephenson's hate-crippled intellect to deal with.
For example, she cannot conceive of there being an independence supporter such as myself who doesn't give a toss whether Scotland qualifies for membership in the EU. My thinking is that if the EU exists, it's probably as well to join. But membership of the EU is not so important that I would compromise my aspirations for my country. My ideas on tax reform alone would genuinely disqualify Scotland. Well, tough! Tax reform is too important to abandon just to fall in line with the EU.
The things Jill Stephenson lists as disqualifying factors are, by contrast, entirely bogus. Unless one assumes Scotland would somehow be without everyday essentials such as a currency. We don't know - and neither does the loony - that independent Scotland will have a fiscal deficit. If it does, it'll be like almost every other country in the world. A deficit is not a disease. It's a fiscal tool. Nothing to be afraid of.
Do you notice anything about her 'arguments'? They are as dated as kipper ties and flares! It's the same stuff she and the Britnat numpty brigade were spewing twelve years ago. Like the SNP leadership, Jill Stephenson is trapped in an earlier decade. 2025 is a foreign land to her. She has never even visited.
There's a short version of this. But I thought I'd better keep it prim since I'm a guest here.
A typical institutionalised British Nationalist with no game.
Amusing all the same.
I don't think the Indy movement should commit to joining the EU before we are well on the way to Independence and can hold a referendum to check if that is what the people of Scotland want. (a stage omitted by JS who is not bothered about what the people want).
I should state here that I would prefer we joined EFTA as a better fit for a small voluntary like ours and without some of yhe political problems the EU has.
I agree, Ann, EFTA is the better choice.
I agree with Ann and Leah on this: EFTA/EEA membership makes more sense initially (and perhaps longer term) as an independence-seeking Scotland will have to negotiate its separation from the UK and the resolution of trans-border trade is with our EU-hating neighbours is likely to be simplified if we're not an EU member (and even more so if Reform has any part in the negotiations). In addition we don't know when our Independence will happen or what changes might take place in EU policies in the interim, so it makes sense not to commit to EU membership as a sine qua non of Indy.
Agree with all. What’s the point of getting the Westminster noose off from around Scotland’s neck, only to put the Brussel’s noose on? Genuine independence requires a greater degree of economic independence.
Another Brit still fighting the last war. That said, I think the EU is the last organisation Scotland should join, given that it is fundamentally opposed to national sovereignty and the democratic will of national populations. Given the contempt they are currently treating the populations of Hungary, Slovakia, Romania and the Eastern Länder, it's clear that the commission is in fact a totalitarian junta.
I also think Scotland should think carefully about establishing a Central Bank for the simple reason that it would be vulnerable to capture by The Banking Mafia. And if we refuse to surrender it, we will find ourselves getting 'Gaddafi-ed".
Tbh, you'd think Historywoman would love all that "Atlantic to the Urals" stuff! 😉
She's right about not being able to join because if aback of those things. She doesn't realise that we will have all those things not long after indy. They are not rocket science. It's normal.
Goodbye our own currency without a central bank. Thereby goodbye true independence.
Nobody will be able to touch our central bank or currency until our currency is held in large amounts overseas then it can be attacked.
You think central banks confer independence? Most of them are owned by Foreign Agents. Certainly in the Globalist Bloc.
As Ms Stephenson often demonstrates, colonialism 'only works by debasing the colonized' (Fanon) and by 'making any prospect of liberation seem impossible' (Memmi).
She's right about 'not qualified to join the EU, 'freeports' takes care of that idea.
I don't think she's ignorant about it, as with her BritNat pals at the Scottish parliament and at westminster they know exactly what they are doing and saying to keep Scotland shackled. The 'UK' with England's government in control of the purse strings, is akin to the mafia, do as they (EngGov) say, hand over your cash and resources and take what you are given, kick kick kick.
Since Brexit the border between ourselves and England has become a trickier indy issue. The best solution is surely some form of EU protection. EFTA or the EEA would be preferable but would the Norway allow it?
In the run up to the 2014 referendum they closed their consulate in Edinburgh. In case anyone was too dim to follow they helpfully explained, ‘Scotland is not a real country’. It took them 70 years to work that out but hey, they got there in the end. What were the promises ? Rosebank?, more North Sea licences?, 80% of farmed Salmon ? Like their Viking forefathers, they are our enemy.
The SNP’s promise to publish an alternative to GERS has to be one of Nicola Sturgeon’s worst betrayals. BIS’s ‘Scotland the Brief’ shows how astonishingly persuasive a counter analysis would be if it came from the Scottish Government.
Thanks as ever Leah for your unique blend of logic, facts, reason, wit and passion. Flushing away that reluctant turd never looked easier.
The Brit government andctheur alkuez in Holyrood are hell bent on annihilating Scotland as a viable country.
For that to avoided, we need to resist in as a determined way as possible but have we the will and strength to do that?
This poor impersonation of a toilet brush has obviously had an arsehole transplant as she's talking so much shite. She also thinks that the SNP is the sum total of the Indy movement...She really does herself no favours and should go back to practicing her Hitler/Musk salute in front of the mirror.
She is quite right in her reasoning for not joining the EU.
Anyway, the EU seems to be on its last legs.